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Looking for peers.
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Miner
2022-07-09 08:37:21 UTC
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I am looking for an additional peers.

I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
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Miner
Miner
2022-07-09 08:40:25 UTC
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Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
Over I2P network too.
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Miner
The Doctor
2022-07-09 14:10:46 UTC
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Post by Miner
Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
Over I2P network too.
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Miner
Care to give us your details here?
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Miner
2022-07-09 14:31:45 UTC
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Post by Miner
Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
Over I2P network too.
Care to give us your details here?
What exactly? Relevant chapter 6.14 in INN 2.x FAQ contains
nothing about it.
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Miner
The Doctor
2022-07-09 14:10:20 UTC
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Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
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Miner
Why invalid?
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Miner
2022-07-09 14:37:59 UTC
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Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
Why invalid?
Because I won't share my email with everyone.
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Miner
The Doctor
2022-07-09 14:49:19 UTC
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Post by Miner
Post by The Doctor
Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
Why invalid?
Because I won't share my email with everyone.
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Miner
Looks like something suspicious is happening.

Do you have a news server name we can refer to?
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Miner
2022-07-09 16:10:39 UTC
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Post by Miner
Post by The Doctor
Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
Why invalid?
Because I won't share my email with everyone.
Looks like something suspicious is happening.
Really?
Post by The Doctor
Do you have a news server name we can refer to?
Injection-Info: txtcon.i2p; posting-account="miner";
This one.
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Miner
Grant Taylor
2022-07-09 20:54:26 UTC
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Really?
I don't know if it's /suspicious/ or not.

My opinion is that someone asking to peer while also refraining from
sharing a valid email address and using a single component name is
definitely /questionable/ behavior.
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The Doctor
2022-07-09 21:14:58 UTC
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Post by Grant Taylor
Post by Miner
Really?
I don't know if it's /suspicious/ or not.
My opinion is that someone asking to peer while also refraining from
sharing a valid email address and using a single component name is
definitely /questionable/ behavior.
You too smell a rat.
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Grant Taylor
2022-07-10 02:04:41 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
You too smell a rat.
I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.

But they aren't helping their case.
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Miner
2022-07-10 08:41:03 UTC
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Post by Grant Taylor
Post by The Doctor
You too smell a rat.
I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.
But they aren't helping their case.
I would like to remind you and everyone of your "benefit".


From: Miner <***@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Peering problem.
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 11:05:54 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Grant Taylor
I'd be happy to peer with you, be it UUCP bag files, UUCP pull
initiated from your end, or something else yet to be
determined. -- Please send me an email directly so we can
discuss details.
Tox is a best communication tool.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

***@tnetconsulting.net
host tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net [2600:3c00:e000:1e9::8849]
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<***@tnetconsulting.net>:
550 5.7.1 <***@tnetconsulting.net>... Fix reverse DNS for IPv6:2a02:180:2:92:3:4:5:6
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Miner
Grant Taylor
2022-07-10 17:40:13 UTC
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Fix reverse DNS for IPv6:2a02:180:2:92:3:4:5:6
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Miner
2022-07-10 17:46:27 UTC
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Post by Miner
Fix reverse DNS for IPv6:2a02:180:2:92:3:4:5:6
From: Miner <***@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Peering problem.
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 07:21:04 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <t2694u$5mg$***@txtcon.i2p>

I already wrote to admin. No reaction from remote side.
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Miner
Grant Taylor
2022-07-11 01:40:55 UTC
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I already wrote to admin. No reaction from remote side.
Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
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Miner
2022-07-11 10:46:51 UTC
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Post by Grant Taylor
Post by Miner
I already wrote to admin. No reaction from remote side.
Please clarify who "remote side" represents.
As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you,
the admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the
barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you do to
overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?
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Miner
Grant Taylor
2022-07-11 17:09:00 UTC
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I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the barriers to
interaction. Please tell us what did you do to overcome the obstacle
for your "benefit"?
That is not an answer to the question that I asked.

Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
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Miner
2022-07-13 12:16:21 UTC
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Post by Grant Taylor
Post by Miner
I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the
barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you do to
overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?
That is not an answer to the question that I asked.
Please clarify who "remote side" represents.
As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you,
the admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities
for its use, even a child can do it. You did nothing. Absolutely
nothing.

An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...
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Miner
Ishmel Rowe Dent
2022-07-13 12:46:02 UTC
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Post by Miner
Post by Grant Taylor
Post by Miner
I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the
barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you do to
overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?
That is not an answer to the question that I asked.
Please clarify who "remote side" represents.
As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you,
the admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities
for its use, even a child can do it. You did nothing. Absolutely
nothing.
An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...
The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable email
service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable. You are
exuding crank.

I could sense your hostility when I first read your exchange with
RetroGuy on Rocksolid. Even RetroGuy explained to you that he was
unfamiliar with Tox, and hopefully he was wise enough to not bother
installing it. NNTP administration is done via email and control
messages. It is not done via Tox messenger. You are demanding something
out of the ordinary, then acting petulant when you can't have your way.

Three people smelled a rat. But they're hypocrites, amirite? You are
demanding people use a unknown, untrusted protocol to communicate with
you, when NNTP admins must have a public email in the first place.

Both the Tox protocol and all the available software for it is an
obscure, amateurish and insecure hodge-podge of parts. I know the
character of some of the people who worked on the Tox project and I
wouldn't trust them with a pet rock. Some unknown person demanding
strangers to install and use unorganized and un-vetted software that can
access the audio, video, and other hardware and drivers of the target
machine just to chat, smells like a bouquet of Roden Tendrons.

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The Doctor
2022-07-13 14:02:24 UTC
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Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
Post by Miner
Post by Grant Taylor
Post by Miner
I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the
barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you do to
overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?
That is not an answer to the question that I asked.
Please clarify who "remote side" represents.
As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you,
the admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities
for its use, even a child can do it. You did nothing. Absolutely
nothing.
An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...
The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable email
service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable. You are
exuding crank.
I could sense your hostility when I first read your exchange with
RetroGuy on Rocksolid. Even RetroGuy explained to you that he was
unfamiliar with Tox, and hopefully he was wise enough to not bother
installing it. NNTP administration is done via email and control
messages. It is not done via Tox messenger. You are demanding something
out of the ordinary, then acting petulant when you can't have your way.
Three people smelled a rat. But they're hypocrites, amirite? You are
demanding people use a unknown, untrusted protocol to communicate with
you, when NNTP admins must have a public email in the first place.
Both the Tox protocol and all the available software for it is an
obscure, amateurish and insecure hodge-podge of parts. I know the
character of some of the people who worked on the Tox project and I
wouldn't trust them with a pet rock. Some unknown person demanding
strangers to install and use unorganized and un-vetted software that can
access the audio, video, and other hardware and drivers of the target
machine just to chat, smells like a bouquet of Roden Tendrons.
a
Fraudulent trolls do not worry me Ishmel.
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Miner
2022-07-13 17:01:18 UTC
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Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
Post by Miner
Post by Grant Taylor
Post by Miner
I have offered you a solution that immediately removes
the barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you
do to overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?
That is not an answer to the question that I asked.
Please clarify who "remote side" represents.
As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved,
you, the admin that you wrote, and the original intended
recipient.
The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary
abilities for its use, even a child can do it. You did
nothing. Absolutely nothing.
An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...
The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
You are exuding crank.
I have more reason to trust amateurish Tox, than "reliable email
service".
Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
I could sense your hostility when I first read your exchange
with RetroGuy on Rocksolid. Even RetroGuy explained to you that
he was unfamiliar with Tox, and hopefully he was wise enough to
not bother installing it. NNTP administration is done via email
and control messages. It is not done via Tox messenger. You are
demanding something out of the ordinary, then acting petulant
when you can't have your way.
The goal was unattainable in the ordinary way.

You often refer to the canons, I see. These days, the canons have
unwittingly been mixed with the commercial interests of a third
party. Obviously, you're demanding me to be a raw material in a
third party enrichment machine. I won't.
Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
Three people smelled a rat. But they're hypocrites, amirite?
You are demanding people use a unknown, untrusted protocol to
communicate with you, when NNTP admins must have a public email
in the first place.
This formality has been completed. Lack of features or broken
features on remote side is beyond my competence.
Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
Both the Tox protocol and all the available software for it is
an obscure, amateurish and insecure hodge-podge of parts. I
know the character of some of the people who worked on the Tox
project and I wouldn't trust them with a pet rock. Some unknown
person demanding strangers to install and use unorganized and
un-vetted software that can access the audio, video, and other
hardware and drivers of the target machine just to chat, smells
like a bouquet of Roden Tendrons.
I can express tons of criticism of "reliable email service". But
it's useless.

P.S. "Remember that amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built
the Titanic."
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Miner
Miner
2022-07-14 14:12:28 UTC
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"Important" remarks were made by my opponents in the current
thread. I notified the author of the FAQ about it. In the next
edition of the FAQ he will judge us. ;-)

To: ***@eyrie.org
Subject: INN 2.x FAQ
Message-Id: <***@smtp.postman.i2p>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 13:25:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: 6.14. Find external feeds and set up peering
After the discussion in group news.admin.peering, it became clear
that chapter 6.14 of the INN 2.x FAQ need to be updated with the
following conditions:

* administrator must have an account on "reliable email service" [1];
* administrator should assist the third party in achieving
commercial interests [2].

It probably makes sense to write a definition of "reliable email
service" and list them.

References:
1. Message-ID: <tamep7$2r8ph$***@news.mixmin.net>
2. Message-ID: <tamtot$12n$***@txtcon.i2p>
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Miner
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Miner
Miner
2022-07-14 16:28:39 UTC
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Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
You are exuding crank.
Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
on the stage. Did you read this <***@hope.eyrie.org>?

Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
caring about commercial interests of a third party?

Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
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Miner
Grant Taylor
2022-07-14 16:45:04 UTC
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Post by Miner
Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
I'll add this:

I consider the desire ~> requirement for valid email address as one of
network operations. As in server administrators need a reliable way to
get a hold of each other to communicate about repairing the network when
the network is down. Or out of bands if you will.

As such, withholding an email address when requesting to establish
peering sort of breaks that fundamental tenant of network operation.

I don't particularly care /what/ the email address is as long as it's a
usable email address.
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Miner
2022-07-14 18:10:57 UTC
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Post by Miner
Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
This is irrelevant, not in dispute.
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Miner
Ishmel Rowe Dent
2022-07-14 17:51:16 UTC
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Post by Miner
Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
You are exuding crank.
Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
caring about commercial interests of a third party?
Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) Your own MTA server, which
presumably is already installed alongside your INN server.

You already have INN installed, which means you also have a MTA
installed (usu. postfix) since they ship together in the repos and are
marked depends by the upstream package manager.

So create a mailbox and point a MX record to it.

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Miner
2022-07-14 19:15:54 UTC
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Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
Post by Miner
Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
You are exuding crank.
Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
caring about commercial interests of a third party?
Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) Your own MTA server,
which presumably is already installed alongside your INN
server.
Do I need to register a domain?
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Miner
jdd
2022-07-14 20:45:30 UTC
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Post by Miner
Do I need to register a domain?
in french, azote.org allows free domains and it's what I use when in
test period

there are probably others, I dunno

jdd
Ishmel Rowe Dent
2022-07-14 21:56:34 UTC
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Post by Miner
Do I need to register a domain?
Of course. You need a FQDN for the MX records, DKIM keys, etc.

Several countries still offer free domain registrations:

https://freenom.com

Email required a domain before the general public could purchase domains
from commercial registrars. Nothing has changed.

Your tone and comments tell me that paying for anything online is a
religious code violation, or you are extremely paranoid and having
certain opsec expectations. Either way you would do well to relax rather
than approaching this like a contest. Patience.

If the issue is keeping your legal identity from exposure, the best
solution is to buy a pre-paid gift VISA card (such as OneVanilla) and
use it to register a domain name under a DBA or using your attorney's
contact information, or just make up a pseudonym. Realize that if you
register a domain with a pseudonym or invalid mailing address, any DCMA
complaint sent to you might eventually result in IANA cancellation for
verification failure. So if you allow pirated content, you will
eventually lose the domain. The second best option is through a free
registrar like Freenom, which will likely block you from using Tor and
known VPNs to register on their site, requiring you to use a clearnet
connection.

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jdd
2022-07-15 06:59:46 UTC
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Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
https://freenom.com
Hello,

I tried to send a PM but the email don't seems to work

I wanted to try freenom.com, but do not find a way to register there.
any random domain I test is marked "not available" as soon as I ask for
it, and as I can't login I can't use it. May be there are no more
subscription possible?

thanks
jdd
Miner
2022-07-15 08:30:26 UTC
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Post by jdd
I wanted to try freenom.com, but do not find a way to register
there. any random domain I test is marked "not available" as
Try to offer them money and see the result. :-) Perhaps another
one commercial piece of shit.
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Miner
Grant Taylor
2022-07-15 00:49:47 UTC
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Post by Miner
Do I need to register a domain?
Does a domain need to be registered to be able to send email? No.

Will email be reliable without a domain being registered? No.

So I would draw the line with anyone who wanted to peer with my server
to require the ability for a vanilla email client + server to be able to
send your address at your domain an email.

N.B. I'm perfectly content with the email address you use being hosted
by someone else.
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Ishmel Rowe Dent
2022-07-26 01:25:28 UTC
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Post by Miner
Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
Post by Miner
Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
You are exuding crank.
Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
caring about commercial interests of a third party?
Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) Your own MTA server,
which presumably is already installed alongside your INN
server.
Do I need to register a domain?
Of course. You need a FDQN for the MX records, DKIM keys, etc. Do you
have some kind of objection to obtaining a domain? If you do, give up
now. The Internet and its siblings are not for you in that case.

Tokelau and a few other countries' domains are still free:

https://freenom.com

Email required a domain before the general public could purchase domains
from commercial registrars. Nothing has changed. You seem to expect
others to agree that paying for anything online is a imposition. If that
is the case, you're not ever going to have it your way and you should
just give up now.

I still suspect that you are a troll who has an axe to grind and isn't
being quite honest about his intentions. It's really simple. If you want
to set up and peer a Usenet server, you do it the way nearly everyone
else has been doing it for 40 friggin' years, and stop your bellyaching
and yea butting, and do it, or find something else to do, or invent an
alternative that works the way you want and write the source code for it.

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noel
2022-07-26 12:41:14 UTC
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Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
Post by Miner
Do I need to register a domain?
Of course. You need a FDQN for the MX records, DKIM keys, etc. Do you
have some kind of objection to obtaining a domain? If you do, give up
now. The Internet and its siblings are not for you in that case.
If he/she doesn't have a domain who is going to bother sending a feed to
a dynamic dns host, I mean if you cant be F'd registering a domain for
what... 10 bucs a year... you are not serious and should just go away and
let the grown ups play
Matthew Ernisse
2022-07-14 17:58:19 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:

[ snip ]
Post by Miner
Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
caring about commercial interests of a third party?
I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable email
service but I don't understand what the "commercial interests of a
third party" means in the context of having a reliable email address.
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Grant Taylor
2022-07-14 18:15:42 UTC
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I don't understand what the "commercial interests of a third party"
means in the context of having a reliable email address.
My take on that is that you shouldn't depeer with someone who was not
profiting from their Usenet service just because they started charging
for access thereto / profiting therefrom. E.g. a small office that has
a few modems and a Usenet server that allowed employees to dial in from
home now decides to start selling dial up access to non-employees.

Either you exchange articles or you don't. Your decision shouldn't be
based on if the perspective peer is commercially benefiting from the
peering or not.

I could see this really being the case if a non-commercial entity is
getting free peering from a commercial entity and then the
non-commercial decides to try to cover their costs, thus making the
commercial entity feel competition.

But, that's probably an idealistic point of view.
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Richard Kettlewell
2022-07-15 09:57:18 UTC
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Post by Grant Taylor
I don't understand what the "commercial interests of a third party"
means in the context of having a reliable email address.
My take on that is that you shouldn't depeer with someone who was not
profiting from their Usenet service just because they started charging
for access thereto / profiting therefrom. E.g. a small office that
has a few modems and a Usenet server that allowed employees to dial in
from home now decides to start selling dial up access to
non-employees.
Either you exchange articles or you don't. Your decision shouldn't be
based on if the perspective peer is commercially benefiting from the
peering or not.
I wouldn’t reject a commerical peer but in my opinion people are free to
peer with whoever they want, using their preferred criteria.

Peers I would reject:
* A peer I can’t contact if there is a problem. In practice this means
working email that is read at least occasionally.
* A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending binaries. My filter can deal with
them but I’d rather not have the resource usage.
* A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending material illegal in a jurisdiction
I care about. Mostly binaries I suspect but I don’t want to process
illegal bytes even just to reject them. (This is mostly about peers
where illegal material is directly injected; they need to make better
judgements about their end users.)
* Weird connectivity arrangements. If I can’t just drop a hostname into
my config then it’s not going to work. UUCP counts as weird for these
purposes.
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Grant Taylor
2022-07-15 18:00:06 UTC
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Post by Richard Kettlewell
I wouldn’t reject a commerical peer but in my opinion people are
free to peer with whoever they want, using their preferred criteria.
Agreed.
Post by Richard Kettlewell
* A peer I can’t contact if there is a problem.
* A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending binaries.
* A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending material illegal in a
jurisdiction I care about.
* Weird connectivity arrangements.
These all seem perfectly reasonable to me.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
Miner
2022-07-14 19:21:20 UTC
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Post by Matthew Ernisse
[ snip ]
Post by Miner
Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a
list of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them
without caring about commercial interests of a third party?
I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable
email service but I don't understand what the "commercial
interests of a third party" means in the context of having a
reliable email address.
Try to get competent advice in the relevant group. alt.privacy
will be helpful, I hope.
--
Miner
Matthew Ernisse
2022-07-14 19:29:27 UTC
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Post by Miner
Post by Matthew Ernisse
[ snip ]
Post by Miner
Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a
list of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them
without caring about commercial interests of a third party?
I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable
email service but I don't understand what the "commercial
interests of a third party" means in the context of having a
reliable email address.
Try to get competent advice in the relevant group. alt.privacy
will be helpful, I hope.
They speak for you in articulating your meaning?
--
"The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
--Kosh
Miner
2022-07-14 20:05:12 UTC
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Post by Matthew Ernisse
Post by Miner
Post by Matthew Ernisse
[ snip ]
Post by Miner
Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a
list of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them
without caring about commercial interests of a third party?
I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable
email service but I don't understand what the "commercial
interests of a third party" means in the context of having a
reliable email address.
Try to get competent advice in the relevant group. alt.privacy
will be helpful, I hope.
They speak for you in articulating your meaning?
I can't guarantee it. Nevertheless, I'm sure there is smart guys
and our opinions often coincide.

P.S. I would like to remind you that we are in NEWS.ADMIN.PEERING
group.
--
Miner
Ishmel Rowe Dent
2022-07-26 01:20:02 UTC
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Post by Miner
Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
You are exuding crank.
Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
caring about commercial interests of a third party?
Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) run your own MTA server.

Mail servers are free. You have numerous open-source options to choose
from. You can run it on a cheap VPS, a Bitcoin compute instance, or a
old computer in your basement. My first email server was set up 25 years
ago on a aged Dell tower that my employer tossed out when the new
servers came in. It cost me nothing. I had zero experience administering
mail and DNS yet I managed to have it set up in a few hours.

Today I run my own MTA on my own rented server. I manage my own DNS and
MX records there so I know it will be reliable. The server costs less
than $20.00 USD per year. Each domain name costs from 9.99 to 16.00 per
year. That's cheap. It hasn't had a hiccup in the last eighteen months
or so.

Your objection of "commercial interests of a third party" is out of
place here--it's non-sequitur. One must pay for an Internet connection
and that generally costs much more than a mail agent installed on a
cheap VPS. Even if you access through a cell phone, the phone bill for
one month is more than a year for a VPS and domain name.

If you think you're getting one over on the man by saving $30, you're
not quite grasping how this all works. There is nothing wrong with
commercial interests providing basic access services for dirt cheap.
Before the Internet was "commercialized" it was a walled garden open
only to the elite and their academic slaves and totally controlled by
government and academia. They've been trying to put the genie back in
the bottle for 30+ years with the panopticon. It's not ever going back.
The panopticon will fail in the end.

When you pay someone for a useful software-as-a-service you are not
merely "caring about commercial interests." You are funding the
maintenance of infrastructure that saves all of us a lot of hassle. But
no one is requiring a paid service to peer with your NNTP node. They're
just requiring an email address where they can be sure to contact you.

I will go on further to say that email is *never* going away. In 100
years email will still be the fundamental contact bridge on public
networks, if we haven't blown ourselves back to the stone age by then.
Email's design, although flawed and subject to improvements, is
fundamentally the right fit for every scope of infrastructure that has
come after. A email address points to a domain, then a user folder on
that domain. This is the fundamental concept of everything as a file
path. What email really is is a virtual filesystem bridge between
domains. My email message to you is a file, that gets copied by me, to
your folder (inbox). This was the case even before the Internet was open
to commercial usage.

If you want free email there's always elude.in, riseup, danwin1210.de,
tildemail, vivaldi, and many others.

You said you already run a INN server, so why not install dovecot or
exim and set up some MX records for your own mailer? Generally you must
install a MTA to install INN anyway, so you're already 2/3 of the way
there. If you use a admin panel like webmin or hestiacp, all the heavy
lifting is done for you in a graphical interface so you never have to
edit bind or server configs by hand.

Over the years I have seen peering discussions of totally anonymous
persons who have successfully gotten peered, even though the other
admins don't know their real identity. If you are concerned about doxing
your identity, use a prepaid credit card to get your VPS and domain
name, and set up your mail server that way. You may use a pseudonym.
Nobody really cares. What they do care about though is toxicity and
pointless accusations that are not even tangential to the issues. If you
show that you are making good faith contribution to the white hat hacker
culture, nobody cares about your real name. But if you are acting shady,
hackles prickle up.

I myself am eventually going to set up a NNTP server using a pseudonym
and I'd wager I won't have any problem getting several admins here to
peer with my node. Once they see my pseudo and my git repos, they'll
know I've been involved in 'the scene' with good intentions and we'll
just move forward.

You came in here with an imperious attitude, with strange expectations.
When this is pointed out, rather than learning from it, you want to
double down. You're not teachable. Everyone needs to be open to
correction--even the most talented hackers make mistakes. The best learn
from those mistakes. The worst mistake is a bad attitude.
--
Ishmel Rowe Dent
Ishmel Rowe Dent
2022-07-26 01:21:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Miner
Post by Ishmel Rowe Dent
The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
You are exuding crank.
Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
caring about commercial interests of a third party?
Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
This smells like some Kerman crank. He's such a tender muffin. We don't
necessarily have a rat. We may have a sausage.

Run your own MTA.

--

Ishmel Rowe Dent
Grant Taylor
2022-07-13 16:04:49 UTC
Permalink
The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities for
its use, even a child can do it.
Yet again you fail or refuse -- I don't think the difference matters --
to answer my question. (Question copied below for your convenience.)

--8<--
Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
-->8--
You did nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Let's agree to disagree.
An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...
I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who goes out
of their way to make things work and collaborate with people.

If you won't meet me part way by answering a question, then as far as
I'm concerned, that's on you.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
Miner
2022-07-13 17:48:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Grant Taylor
I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who
goes out of their way to make things work and collaborate with
people.
The undeniable fact is that your "benefit" was ephemeral.
--
Miner
Ted Heise
2022-07-13 17:55:22 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:48:02 -0000 (UTC),
Post by Miner
Post by Grant Taylor
I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who
goes out of their way to make things work and collaborate with
people.
The undeniable fact is that your "benefit" was ephemeral.
Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed
Grant on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome
of open mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He
bolsters my faith in humanity.
--
Ted Heise <***@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
Grant Taylor
2022-07-13 18:32:29 UTC
Permalink
Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed Grant
on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome of open
mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He bolsters my
faith in humanity.
Hi Ted,

Thank you. You brought a smile to my face. I'm glad that someone
appreciates my efforts.

Have a good day.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
The Doctor
2022-07-13 22:02:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Grant Taylor
Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed Grant
on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome of open
mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He bolsters my
faith in humanity.
Hi Ted,
Thank you. You brought a smile to my face. I'm glad that someone
appreciates my efforts.
Have a good day.
Only the good stay reputible.
Post by Grant Taylor
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
They are so full of goodness, they must hide what they are. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com
jdd
2022-07-14 06:49:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Grant Taylor
Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed Grant
on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome of open
mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He bolsters my
faith in humanity.
Hi Ted,
Thank you. You brought a smile to my face. I'm glad that someone
appreciates my efforts.
Have a good day.
he not alone. Keep going, Grant!

jdd
Grant Taylor
2022-07-14 16:46:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by jdd
he not alone. Keep going, Grant!
Thank you jdd. You too brought a smile to my face.

I've added both of your complements to my save file.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
Ted Heise
2022-07-14 17:40:02 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 10:46:20 -0600,
Post by Grant Taylor
Post by jdd
he not alone. Keep going, Grant!
Thank you jdd. You too brought a smile to my face.
I've added both of your complements to my save file.
Uh-oh, now you've done it. Our compliments do complement each
other, but...
--
Ted Heise <***@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
The Doctor
2022-07-13 22:01:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Grant Taylor
The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities for
its use, even a child can do it.
Yet again you fail or refuse -- I don't think the difference matters --
to answer my question. (Question copied below for your convenience.)
--8<--
Please clarify who "remote side" represents.
As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
-->8--
You did nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Let's agree to disagree.
An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...
I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who goes out
of their way to make things work and collaborate with people.
If you won't meet me part way by answering a question, then as far as
I'm concerned, that's on you.
PLease do not feed the troll.
Post by Grant Taylor
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
They are so full of goodness, they must hide what they are. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com
Rod Ent
2022-07-13 10:56:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Grant Taylor
Post by The Doctor
You too smell a rat.
I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.
But they aren't helping their case.
Regarding the aroma of rodent, see these Message-ID references:

Newsgroups: rocksolid.nodes
References: <***@rocksolidbbs.com>
<***@novabbs.com>
<***@news.novabbs.org>
<taed1l$ked$***@txtcon.i2p>

This user, Miner, went through the same rigamarole over on the rocksolid
peering group. He said his email to RetroGuy was not getting through
then he insisted that admin join him in a Tox chat. He became petulant
about the need for a Tox conference and gave an ultimatum about shutting
down his peer instead of working out a solution.

Neither the Tox protocol nor any of the available clients have been
security vetted. A socat session over Tor would likely be more trustworthy.

Why is Miner attempting to get multiple NNTP admins to join him in a Tox
chat when the newsgroups are just fine for this use case?

Why is he trying to create a sense of urgency?

--

Rod Ent

PWQJUIIJIZ2SJBHQ2WJWOF7EQC567JL4Q5GHOQIFX7XH53BR3RDTEHXW2OEMEOGO
Matthew Ernisse
2022-07-13 14:00:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod Ent
Post by Grant Taylor
Post by The Doctor
You too smell a rat.
I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.
But they aren't helping their case.
[ snip ]
Post by Rod Ent
Why is Miner attempting to get multiple NNTP admins to join him in a Tox
chat when the newsgroups are just fine for this use case?
Why is he trying to create a sense of urgency?
I think it's pretty clear from the beginning that they have been acting
in bad faith and that a reasonable news server administrator should
avoid peering with them.
--
"The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
--Kosh
The Doctor
2022-07-13 14:02:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matthew Ernisse
Post by Rod Ent
Post by Grant Taylor
Post by The Doctor
You too smell a rat.
I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.
But they aren't helping their case.
[ snip ]
Post by Rod Ent
Why is Miner attempting to get multiple NNTP admins to join him in a Tox
chat when the newsgroups are just fine for this use case?
Why is he trying to create a sense of urgency?
I think it's pretty clear from the beginning that they have been acting
in bad faith and that a reasonable news server administrator should
avoid peering with them.
Hear!! Hear!!!
Post by Matthew Ernisse
--
"The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
--Kosh
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
They are so full of goodness, they must hide what they are. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com
Grant Taylor
2022-07-13 16:06:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Matthew Ernisse
I think it's pretty clear from the beginning that they have been
acting in bad faith and that a reasonable news server administrator
should avoid peering with them.
Agreed.

It seems as if they would prefer to engage in ad hominem attacks rather
than answer a simple question.

My opinion is that all evidence indicates that I want to NOT peer with
them, despite my desire to keep an open mind.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
Miner
2022-07-13 10:49:41 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Miner
Post by The Doctor
Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
Why invalid?
Because I won't share my email with everyone.
Looks like something suspicious is happening.
Do you have a news server name we can refer to?
Indeed, something suspicious happened: collection of information
and disappointed expectations. Now it will be difficult for you
to repeat success.

rejecting[*] <tajtve$f77$***@gallifrey.nk.ca> 439 [*] Fraud.
rejecting[*] <taks22$2fko$***@gallifrey.nk.ca> 439 [*] Fraud.
rejecting[*] <tal88c$2abo$***@gallifrey.nk.ca> 439 [*] Fraud.
--
Miner
Nomen Nescio
2022-07-13 14:13:39 UTC
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Hi Stefan!
Miner
2022-07-10 08:44:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
No one was willing to peer with me for the past 24 hours. I find
it pointless to waste time and computing resources on running a
news server while I have only one newsfeed. I decided to shutting
down my news server for a few next days.
--
Miner
Newsmaster
2022-07-14 14:43:51 UTC
Permalink
Hi

I think in all chapter with social interactions
a Refence to

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/442332/the-modern-gentlemans-handbook-by-tyrwhitt-charles/9781529108842

would be suffice.

With best regards
MM
Post by Miner
Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
No one was willing to peer with me for the past 24 hours. I find
it pointless to waste time and computing resources on running a
news server while I have only one newsfeed. I decided to shutting
down my news server for a few next days.
--
Diese E-Mail wurde von AVG auf Viren geprüft.
http://www.avg.com
Grant Taylor
2022-07-14 16:47:47 UTC
Permalink
Hi
Hi MM,
I think in all chapter with social interactions a Refence to
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/442332/the-modern-gentlemans-handbook-by-tyrwhitt-charles/9781529108842
would be suffice.
Interesting reference.

Thank you for sharing MM.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
Nigel Reed
2022-07-28 00:40:52 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:37:21 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Miner
I am looking for an additional peers.
I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
Yggdrasil network only.
After starting to browse the thread which ended up TLDR;

Personally, I find usenet over i2p to be dodgy in the first place.
People find a way around having a dynamic IP such as using an ipv6
tunnel, which is what I did to start with.

Second, you're asking a lot of people to make exceptions for one
server, and your attitude is combative and standoffish. Nobody wants to
deal with an awkward peer. Remember, you are asking us to share our
resources with you. We're under no obligation to provide you with
anything and you hosting a usenet server is not doing us any favors.

I would gladly give you a feed over ipv6 if you had a different
attitude, but I may not be popular with my fellow peers for doing so.
You may have burnt your bridges here.

Go away, regroup, think of a different strategy, don't demand people
conform to your needs but you confirm to what has worked for decades
than you may find some of us a little more receptive.

Respecfully,
--
End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
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