Looking for peering

[Elia]

Hello,

I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as
i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.

Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.

Thank you,

Elia

[Marco Moock]

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

[el1a]

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

[The Doctor]

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

[candycanearter07]

Post by The Doctor

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!

[D]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by The Doctor

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

[candycanearter07]

Post by D

Post by candycanearter07

Post by The Doctor

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
"common", but it is an internet service.

[D]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by D

Post by candycanearter07

Post by The Doctor

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
"common", but it is an internet service.

thanks for the common usage tip; so although usenet was established before
the internet, usenet is nonetheless actually, in fact, an internet service;
for some reason it seemed de facto meant "for all intents and purposes" or
"might as well be", e.g. "big alphonse capone is chicago's de facto mayor"

[The Doctor]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by D

Post by candycanearter07

Post by The Doctor

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
"common", but it is an internet service.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

It should be though.

[candycanearter07]

Post by The Doctor

Post by candycanearter07

Post by D

Post by candycanearter07

Post by The Doctor

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
"common", but it is an internet service.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

It should be though.

Agreed, but it's not as of today.

[Marco Moock]

Post by D
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?

When it is being used over IP, then yes. In the past it was used with
UUCP without IP involved.

[D]

Post by Marco Moock

Post by D
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?

When it is being used over IP, then yes. In the past it was used with
UUCP without IP involved.

okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

[Marco Moock]

Post by D
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

Usenet itself is basically the same, regardless of the transport
protocol.
Although, for me an internet service is something that uses IP
(Internet protocol). NNTP is, UUCP over IP is, but UUCP directly
doesn't use IP.

The question is how far the term "Internet" goes.

Are other transmission protocols like UUCP also "Internet"?

[D]

Post by Marco Moock

Post by D
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

Usenet itself is basically the same, regardless of the transport
protocol.
Although, for me an internet service is something that uses IP
(Internet protocol). NNTP is, UUCP over IP is, but UUCP directly
doesn't use IP.
The question is how far the term "Internet" goes.
Are other transmission protocols like UUCP also "Internet"?

is ftp ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol

[The Doctor]

Post by D

Post by Marco Moock

Post by D
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

Usenet itself is basically the same, regardless of the transport
protocol.
Although, for me an internet service is something that uses IP
(Internet protocol). NNTP is, UUCP over IP is, but UUCP directly
doesn't use IP.
The question is how far the term "Internet" goes.
Are other transmission protocols like UUCP also "Internet"?

is ftp ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol

And then there is packet filtering FTP.

[Marco Moock]

Post by D
is ftp ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol

A rather tricky question.
RFC 765 of course, but original RFC 114 ran on NCP.
Is that Internet?
It was the predecessor of IP.

[Grant Taylor]

Post by Marco Moock
A rather tricky question.

Chuckle.

Post by Marco Moock
RFC 765 of course, but original RFC 114 ran on NCP.
Is that Internet?
It was the predecessor of IP.

I was thinking the same thing.

I'm glad that someone brought it up.

[The Doctor]

Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?

[Grant Taylor]

Post by The Doctor
Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?

I assume so. ... It's still in recent Gentoo portage tree.

As I've said before, I'm not (knowingly) related to the maintainer of
Taylor UUCP.



Grant. . . .

[D]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by The Doctor
Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?

I assume so. ... It's still in recent Gentoo portage tree.
As I've said before, I'm not (knowingly) related to the maintainer of
Taylor UUCP.
Grant. . . .

i don't know a thing about this, but . . .

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=taylor+uucp

[The Doctor]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by The Doctor
Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?

I assume so. ... It's still in recent Gentoo portage tree.
As I've said before, I'm not (knowingly) related to the maintainer of
Taylor UUCP.
Grant. . . .

Sorry , that is Ian Taylor.

[Grant Taylor]

Post by D
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy",

I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators to
serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the news
spool directly from the news server.

Servers were almost certainly configured as peers and used UUCP or
something comparable but proprietary.

Post by D
is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,

When the introduction of TCP/IP clients started to be run on systems
other than the news server and accessed the news server remotely, likely
across the LAN, but possibly across dial up connections.

So the biggest difference I see in before and after the introduction of
TCP/IP is where the news client program was run;

- before: on the news server
- after: on client systems

Post by D
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

I don't think so.

Usenet is a network of news servers. That network is independent of how
client's access the news server.

There are other LAN protocols that clients can use to connect to servers
across a LAN or even dial up.

[D]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by D
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy",

I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators to
serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the news
spool directly from the news server.
Servers were almost certainly configured as peers and used UUCP or
something comparable but proprietary.

Post by D
is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,

When the introduction of TCP/IP clients started to be run on systems
other than the news server and accessed the news server remotely, likely
across the LAN, but possibly across dial up connections.
So the biggest difference I see in before and after the introduction of
TCP/IP is where the news client program was run;
- before: on the news server
- after: on client systems

Post by D
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

I don't think so.
Usenet is a network of news servers. That network is independent of how
client's access the news server.
There are other LAN protocols that clients can use to connect to servers
across a LAN or even dial up.

seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
the op <***@elia.li> did state "...trying to start a inn2 news server for
a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby
describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct

[Grant Taylor]

Post by D
seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby
describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct

Fair enough.

But you get into "what is an internet service"?

Arguably any service that is accessible via the Internet is an internet
service.



Grant. . . .

[D]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by D
seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby
describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct

Fair enough.
But you get into "what is an internet service"?
Arguably any service that is accessible via the Internet is an internet
service.
Grant. . . .

so generally speaking, while usenet is most widely available on the internet,
it may also be available on local area network or dial-up with usenet access;

[Grant Taylor]

Post by D
so generally speaking, while usenet is most widely available on the internet,
it may also be available on local area network or dial-up with usenet access;

Yep.

Usenet servers used to be common things in University networks wherein
students & staff would access the server across the LAN.

[Marco Moock]

Post by Grant Taylor
I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators
to serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the
news spool directly from the news server.

From the stuff I heard, they connected to the server via serial line
(maybe with a modem or ISDN from remote) and read it with a software
that reads from the spool on the file system.

[The Doctor]

Post by D

Post by candycanearter07

Post by The Doctor

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

No ! The WEb overseeds that.

[D]

Post by The Doctor

Post by D

Post by candycanearter07

Post by The Doctor

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

No ! The WEb overseeds that.

hmm . . .

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=overseeds

Post by The Doctor
overseed /o"ver-sed'/
transitive verb
To spread grass seed on (turf or an established lawn) in order to
fill in thin or bare spots.
intransitive verb
To spread grass seed on turf or an established lawn.
verb
To replenish (a lawn, etc.) by adding more seeds.
The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
* More at Wordnik

and "overseed" almost sounds like "supercede" . . . did ip "supercede" nntp?
google sure seems to think so . . . "holy see" . . . "over lord" . . . "god"

[The Doctor]

Post by D

Post by The Doctor

Post by D

Post by candycanearter07

Post by The Doctor

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

No ! The WEb overseeds that.

hmm . . .
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=overseeds

Post by The Doctor
overseed /o"ver-sed'/
transitive verb
To spread grass seed on (turf or an established lawn) in order to
fill in thin or bare spots.
intransitive verb
To spread grass seed on turf or an established lawn.
verb
To replenish (a lawn, etc.) by adding more seeds.
The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
* More at Wordnik

and "overseed" almost sounds like "supercede" . . . did ip "supercede" nntp?
google sure seems to think so . . . "holy see" . . . "over lord" . . . "god"

Meant supercede.

[Nigel Reed]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:47:40 +0100

Post by el1a

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present
it to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my
class and wanted to show them something

That sounds fantastic. Would love to see an influx of fresh, new views
into the world of usenet.

[Tom Furie]

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.

School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
problem, I just like to know some parameters.

Cheers,
Tom

[el1a]

Post by Tom Furie

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.

School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
problem, I just like to know some parameters.
Cheers,
Tom

I plan on running it indefinitely.

Regards,
Elia

[Grant Taylor]

Post by Tom Furie
School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
problem, I just like to know some parameters.

I had the same question and reaction.

Post by Tom Furie
I plan on running it indefinitely.

Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.

[The Doctor]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by Tom Furie
School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
problem, I just like to know some parameters.

I had the same question and reaction.

Post by Tom Furie
I plan on running it indefinitely.

Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.
--
Grant. . . .

Same here!

[llp]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by el1a
I plan on running it indefinitely.

Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.

Same here!

Same here.

[yamo']

Hi,

Post by el1a

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.

It's great to read this good news!

Post by el1a
I plan on running it indefinitely.

If you need another peer, you can drop me an email.

[The Doctor]

Post by yamo'
Hi,

Post by el1a

Post by Elia
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.

It's great to read this good news!

Post by el1a
I plan on running it indefinitely.

If you need another peer, you can drop me an email.
--
Stéphane

Many will help you with the setup in news.software.nntp .

[Ivo Gandolfo]

Post by Elia
Hello,
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as
i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.
Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
Thank you,
Elia

See https://www.bofh.team/info.txt

Just write me an email with your info, and your request. Pay attention,
a peer with me full feed (binary included) it's _min_ 7/10GB/day, only
2GB/day if you want full feed text.
If your reduce to at least few hyearchies, the bandwitch will be reduced.


Sincerely

[Grant Taylor]

Post by Ivo Gandolfo
Just write me an email with your info, and your request. Pay attention,
a peer with me full feed (binary included) it's min 7/10GB/day, only
2GB/day if you want full feed text.

Those binary numbers seem lower than I would assume.

Those text numbers seem about forty times higher than I was seeing.
Though the massive spam hose coming out of Google as of late may be
altering those numbers.

Aside: I have long maintained that I think it's possible to run a text
only Usenet server on 56k dial up.



Grant. . . .

[Marco Moock]

Post by Grant Taylor
Aside: I have long maintained that I think it's possible to run a
text only Usenet server on 56k dial up.

Also with reader clients?

[Grant Taylor]

Post by Marco Moock
Also with reader clients?

Eh ... it depends.

Admittedly I was thinking primarily about the amount of text Usenet
traffic per day. I'm sticking with 50 - 100 MB. I'm fairly certain
that can be transferred across a dial up modem in less than a day.

There's also the question of how would client's be connecting? If they
are over the same dial up modem connection that would imply not always
on operation which brings it's own set of problems. If it's LAN based,
well, then the dial up modem doesn't count. Dumb terminals connected to
a serial port (other than the one the dial up modem is connected to) are
also out of scope. }:-)

[Anonymous]

Post by Ivo Gandolfo
bandwitch will be reduced.

Does your bandwitch transport on a broom?

[Nigel Reed]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:14:14 +0100

Post by Elia
Hello,
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.
Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
Thank you,
Elia

I am happy to peer with you. YOu can find my details at
https://www.endofthelinebbs.com/peering.html - just respond with your
relevant configuration and I'll get you going.