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UDP Google GRoups
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The Doctor
2023-10-07 13:54:28 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700
Nobody tells Google what to do.
Be careful not to poke the bear. The purple-haired Google vegan
skinny-jeans mafia might come after you.
They might shell your house with yogurt and tofu and lettuce greens and
other weapons of rabbit destruction.
Back to the real world, comp.mail.sendmail is getting hammered
like comp.lang.c
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The Doctor
2023-10-07 13:55:15 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100
If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
fair.
Google groups users are the modern version of the September AOL users.
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Ironic the server called "eternal september" didn't emulate the
september user base
Ray Banana is a good man unlike Google!
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candycanearter07
2023-10-07 21:26:36 UTC
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Ray Banana is a good man unlike Google!
Amazing how much actually caring about your platform does GOOGLE.
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The Doctor
2023-10-08 00:12:42 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Ray Banana is a good man unlike Google!
Amazing how much actually caring about your platform does GOOGLE.
NOT!!!
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candycanearter07
2023-10-08 05:45:14 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by candycanearter07
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Ray Banana is a good man unlike Google!
Amazing how much actually caring about your platform does GOOGLE.
NOT!!!
I meant to add a comma there (platform does, GOOGLE)
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The Doctor
2023-10-08 11:24:02 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by candycanearter07
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Ray Banana is a good man unlike Google!
Amazing how much actually caring about your platform does GOOGLE.
NOT!!!
I meant to add a comma there (platform does, GOOGLE)
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The Doctor
2023-10-07 13:55:58 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700
Nobody tells Google what to do.
Be careful not to poke the bear. The purple-haired Google vegan
skinny-jeans mafia might come after you.
They might shell your house with yogurt and tofu and lettuce greens and
other weapons of rabbit destruction.
Little s*ts! Humm...
Treat Google Groups like you do Google+ .
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Chris M. Thomasson
2023-10-07 18:52:22 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700
Nobody tells Google what to do.
Be careful not to poke the bear. The purple-haired Google vegan
skinny-jeans mafia might come after you.
They might shell your house with yogurt and tofu and lettuce greens and
other weapons of rabbit destruction.
Little s*ts! Humm...
Treat Google Groups like you do Google+ .
Heck, even Google itself nuked Google+.
candycanearter07
2023-10-07 19:54:33 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Treat Google Groups like you do Google+ .
Heck, even Google itself nuked Google+.
Google comes up with and drops so much its incredible.
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The Doctor
2023-10-08 00:12:14 UTC
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Treat Google Groups like you do Google+ .
Heck, even Google itself nuked Google+.
Google comes up with and drops so much its incredible.
Stupid!
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The Doctor
2023-10-07 13:58:25 UTC
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100 Richard Harnden
We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
fair.
It is not our job to worry about Google's users.
It is Google's job to worry about their users.
The mother hen mentality fixes nothing.
But their abusers are making groups unreadable.
There are efforts by some admins to resolve this. Many groups are now
quite usable as admins are tackling and conquering the spam.
It should need to be this way, but it is what it is. Nobody tells Google
what to do.
pfft google thought they were too big not be dnsbl listed, nor that any
network would dare block all gmail for periods of time to send them a
message, google were wrong, both counts.
Gmail and Google Groups are high abuse


!!

1)

https://groups.google.com/search/conversations?q=Depeer%20Google%20Groups


2)

https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

And do not get me started about M$ .
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The Doctor
2023-10-07 14:00:16 UTC
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http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cfc5652a3-1c35-4b43-8f8d-1527e4257ac2n%40googlegroups.com%3E
No, that was a comment from a user during the Thaidal wave referring to
the s/n ratio having gotten so bad the group had become
useless. Checking... the group is still there.
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch
Depeer Google groups now! Enough with the anaccountability!
What exactly woold that do? Would articles posted elsewhere (say, via
eternal-september) no longer appear on the Google Groups web interface?
I'm not pleased with GG as a Usenet interface, but it's still a decent
archive. I wouldn't want to lose that.
The archive is already lost due to high spamtrollers!
depeering Google Groups would prevent all newly posted articles from
being added to the GG archive.
There is another site doing this.

I just need to recall who it is.
I oppose doing that. I suspect the recent wave of Thai spam will be
temporary, and it's still possible that Google may deal with it.
And now they added comp.mail.sendmail .
Furthermore, since it's something only Usenet server administrators can
do, and has nothing to do with C, I request that this discussion be
taken out of comp.lang.c, where it is off topic. (We've already had a
necessary discussion of how individual users can filter out the recent
spam.)
I'm redirecting followups to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet; feel free to
cross-post to news.software.nntp if it's really topical there.
I mean, the whole point is that we don't want off-topic posts, right?
These are on tpoic to the groups that are getting spamtroll flooded!
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Keith Thompson
2023-10-07 21:41:22 UTC
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I'm redirecting followups to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet; feel free to
cross-post to news.software.nntp if it's really topical there.
I mean, the whole point is that we don't want off-topic posts, right?
These are on tpoic to the groups that are getting spamtroll flooded!
The comp.lang.c Thai spam still appears on groups.google.com, but has
vanished from news.eternal-september.org and news.i2pn2.org. Apparently
the admins of those sites have cleaned it up.

comp.lang.c is now being dominated by this thread. Please take it
elsewhere. Followups redirected again.
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The Doctor
2023-10-07 14:01:15 UTC
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I'm not pleased with GG as a Usenet interface, but it's
still a decent archive. I wouldn't want to lose that.
The archive is already lost due to high spamtrollers!
usenetarcives.com is another emerging option. If they get
enough funding, they may have a chance of replacing Google's
archive. Does anybody know how full their coverage is going
to be?
CLC removed from FollowUp-To: at Keith's request.
Good as long as all the google spamtroll is dropped like a hot potato!
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Retro Guy
2023-10-07 14:03:10 UTC
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On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:54:28 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700
Nobody tells Google what to do.
Be careful not to poke the bear. The purple-haired Google vegan
skinny-jeans mafia might come after you.
They might shell your house with yogurt and tofu and lettuce greens and
other weapons of rabbit destruction.
Back to the real world, comp.mail.sendmail is getting hammered
like comp.lang.c
Try a different server. comp.mail.sendmail looks fine on eternal-september.org and
i2pn2.org.
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llp
2023-10-07 17:51:31 UTC
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Post by Retro Guy
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:54:28 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700
Nobody tells Google what to do.
Be careful not to poke the bear. The purple-haired Google vegan
skinny-jeans mafia might come after you.
They might shell your house with yogurt and tofu and lettuce greens and
other weapons of rabbit destruction.
Back to the real world, comp.mail.sendmail is getting hammered
like comp.lang.c
Try a different server. comp.mail.sendmail looks fine on
eternal-september.org and i2pn2.org.
Yes, Eternal-September.org is a good choice.

If you are a newsmaster, you can accept nocem from
eternal-september and news.usenet.ovh.
These nocems do a good job on google spam.

Eternal-September nocems are active on all hierarchies and generated
every 30 minutes. Usenet.ovh nocems currently protect "fr", "comp"
and "sci" and are generated every 5 minutes.
Ideally, you should accept both for maximum efficiency.

More information: http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Best regards.

Follow-up to: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
The Doctor
2023-10-11 14:40:10 UTC
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Per http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/files.html, you just need to add
google-groups.googlegroups.com
to the end of /etc/news/cleanfeed/etc/bad_paths. This should get re-read
automatically after a while, but if you're impatient you should be able
ctlinnd reload filter.perl killing google groups
The documentation for cleanfeed is pretty good. These are not magical
incantations. I did this yesterday and it has been a massive
improvement.
Thank you John!
I just add this and reloaded,
and thanks again I am one of those bookworms and live in man pages and
RFC's but I am a new admin since around July this year and installed
cleanfeed around 2 weeks a go, and there is a ton of information to
learn/read and I been step by step doing so, but this issue with
google groups was annoying me and my users.
Thanks again
ReK2
The other way is in your innd newsfeeds files just do

ME/google-groups.googlegroups.com:\

It is time to unanimously support UDP google-groups.googlegroups.com

The dejanews archive is dead!

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The Doctor
2023-10-12 02:21:43 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Per http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/files.html, you just need to add
google-groups.googlegroups.com
to the end of /etc/news/cleanfeed/etc/bad_paths. This should get re-read
automatically after a while, but if you're impatient you should be able
ctlinnd reload filter.perl killing google groups
The documentation for cleanfeed is pretty good. These are not magical
incantations. I did this yesterday and it has been a massive
improvement.
Thank you John!
I just add this and reloaded,
and thanks again I am one of those bookworms and live in man pages and
RFC's but I am a new admin since around July this year and installed
cleanfeed around 2 weeks a go, and there is a ton of information to
learn/read and I been step by step doing so, but this issue with
google groups was annoying me and my users.
Thanks again
ReK2
The other way is in your innd newsfeeds files just do
ME/google-groups.googlegroups.com:\
It is time to unanimously support UDP google-groups.googlegroups.com
The dejanews archive is dead!
I have just done this and will not go back.
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